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		<title>By: Russ Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I anticipate the details will be discussed at the upcoming PayPal Developers Conference on November 3rd. 2009. Looks like there is a session on Adaptive Payments that promises the &quot;full scoop&quot; on its usage.  I&#039;ll be there for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I anticipate the details will be discussed at the upcoming PayPal Developers Conference on November 3rd. 2009. Looks like there is a session on Adaptive Payments that promises the &#8220;full scoop&#8221; on its usage.  I&#8217;ll be there for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, any news on this new split payment functionality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, any news on this new split payment functionality?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Walmsley</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-4159</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Walmsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding chargebacks and risk when splitting payments, my strategy is this:

- You can place a &quot;hold&quot; on money from the client for a period of time. The money isn&#039;t drawn out of their account. Say this is tickets to a concert - you can withdraw the money from their account on the day of the concert, even if they &quot;bought&quot; the tickets 2 months in advance. This is similar to a hold that a hotel might place on your credit card for additional expenses after you leave.

- At the time when the money is finally withdrawn (i.e. when the concert goes ahead), you then use adaptive payments to split the money appropriately, e.g. 10% to the ticketing agency and 90% to the production company.

- If the event doesn&#039;t go ahead, no money is withdrawn, the hold expires and everything&#039;s back to normal.

This strategy also happens to save a LOT of transaction fees and processing and reduces risk. It does however introduce one additional risk: that at the time you draw the money from the person&#039;s paypal account they don&#039;t have enough in there. 

That&#039;s a separate issue though and unlikely (I hope) to bite people on the butt too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding chargebacks and risk when splitting payments, my strategy is this:</p>
<p>- You can place a &#8220;hold&#8221; on money from the client for a period of time. The money isn&#8217;t drawn out of their account. Say this is tickets to a concert &#8211; you can withdraw the money from their account on the day of the concert, even if they &#8220;bought&#8221; the tickets 2 months in advance. This is similar to a hold that a hotel might place on your credit card for additional expenses after you leave.</p>
<p>- At the time when the money is finally withdrawn (i.e. when the concert goes ahead), you then use adaptive payments to split the money appropriately, e.g. 10% to the ticketing agency and 90% to the production company.</p>
<p>- If the event doesn&#8217;t go ahead, no money is withdrawn, the hold expires and everything&#8217;s back to normal.</p>
<p>This strategy also happens to save a LOT of transaction fees and processing and reduces risk. It does however introduce one additional risk: that at the time you draw the money from the person&#8217;s paypal account they don&#8217;t have enough in there. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a separate issue though and unlikely (I hope) to bite people on the butt too much.</p>
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		<title>By: James from FaceySpacey.com</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3920</link>
		<dc:creator>James from FaceySpacey.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do we think will happen for chargebacks that involve multiple recipients? Will they all lose money? Is it possible that paypal has an interface to say which part was broken and needs a refund for, or something like this? 

Either way for ad networks, downloadable products from multi-vendor stores, this is going to mean a lot of new business. Hopefully the price point for micro-points will be a small percentage and not a fixed amount (i.e. of 5 cents like Amazon FPS does) so that ad networks can run through this, paying out publishers instantaneously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do we think will happen for chargebacks that involve multiple recipients? Will they all lose money? Is it possible that paypal has an interface to say which part was broken and needs a refund for, or something like this? </p>
<p>Either way for ad networks, downloadable products from multi-vendor stores, this is going to mean a lot of new business. Hopefully the price point for micro-points will be a small percentage and not a fixed amount (i.e. of 5 cents like Amazon FPS does) so that ad networks can run through this, paying out publishers instantaneously.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Andrew and my concern as well.  Does anyone know of the policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Andrew and my concern as well.  Does anyone know of the policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Gajendran</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3687</link>
		<dc:creator>Gajendran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one that was demonstrated was Liveops (www.liveops.com) and not liveworks. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one that was demonstrated was Liveops (www.liveops.com) and not liveworks. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason why split payments hasn&#039;t been widely supported by the credit card industry is that it is fraught with risk. 

Let&#039;s say I make a purchase at Russ&#039; computers and Russ in turn has components dropped shipped from 4 wholesalers to me. It sounds clever that one payment from me can be split to Russ and the 4 wholesalers but what happens when 1 of the wholesalers fails to deliver/perform? Arguably the computer is worthless to me without all of the components so my first reaction is to dispute or charge back the transaction. The safe bet, since Paypal sits in the middle of all disputes, is that Paypal won&#039;t be the one to take the financial hit. It either means that buyers lose protection, or that sellers become responsible for the performance of everyone else in the payment chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why split payments hasn&#8217;t been widely supported by the credit card industry is that it is fraught with risk. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I make a purchase at Russ&#8217; computers and Russ in turn has components dropped shipped from 4 wholesalers to me. It sounds clever that one payment from me can be split to Russ and the 4 wholesalers but what happens when 1 of the wholesalers fails to deliver/perform? Arguably the computer is worthless to me without all of the components so my first reaction is to dispute or charge back the transaction. The safe bet, since Paypal sits in the middle of all disputes, is that Paypal won&#8217;t be the one to take the financial hit. It either means that buyers lose protection, or that sellers become responsible for the performance of everyone else in the payment chain.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Sexstone</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3655</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Sexstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to the Twitpay link -- should be https://twitpay.me.

Thanks for the preview Russ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to the Twitpay link &#8212; should be <a href="https://twitpay.me" rel="nofollow">https://twitpay.me</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the preview Russ!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Johnson</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3648</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the big story in all of this is the following: the major Card Brands such as Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover have done an exceptional job over the years building a global network of cardholders and accepting merchants to facilitate commerce. It’s now a global standard. They have built substantial barriers to entry for others (look at Revolution Money who has raised around a $100 million to try and penetrate the U.S. market).

Collectively, the internet, globalization, social networks, and mobile phones have been shifting the payments landscape and reducing these barriers. It’s the wave that Paypal and other innovators have been riding and has turned what was a potential threat and minor scratch for the Card Brands into an open wound. 

http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/blog/PayPal-Adaptive-Payments/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the big story in all of this is the following: the major Card Brands such as Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover have done an exceptional job over the years building a global network of cardholders and accepting merchants to facilitate commerce. It’s now a global standard. They have built substantial barriers to entry for others (look at Revolution Money who has raised around a $100 million to try and penetrate the U.S. market).</p>
<p>Collectively, the internet, globalization, social networks, and mobile phones have been shifting the payments landscape and reducing these barriers. It’s the wave that Paypal and other innovators have been riding and has turned what was a potential threat and minor scratch for the Card Brands into an open wound. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/blog/PayPal-Adaptive-Payments/" rel="nofollow">http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/blog/PayPal-Adaptive-Payments/</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://paymentsviews.com/2009/07/24/paypal-adaptive-payments/comment-page-1/#comment-3647</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twitpay is also using amazon payments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>twitpay is also using amazon payments</p>
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